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As hip-hop mourns the loss of DJ Mr. Magic, TheUrbanDaily.com presents an exclusive excerpt from the upcoming book by Dan Charnas, “The Big Payback: The History of the Business of Hip-Hop,” coming out on New American Library/Penguin in 2010.

Charnas interviewed Magic in October of 2007 and in these following clips he tells the story of how “Lucky the Magician” became Mr. Magic and helped give birth to the group Whodini.

“Disco Showcase” was the brainchild of John Rivas, a DJ from Brooklyn who performed as “Lucky The Magician.” Lucky, too, dreamed of being Frankie Crocker, while he built custom speakers at S&H, an electronics shop in downtown Manhattan. He enrolled himself in a radio course at the New York School of Announcing and Speech, where fellow students told Lucky about a small FM station on the Upper West Side called WHBI that sold airtime for $75 an hour. If he could get S&H to give him $150 for four commercials, he’d be in business. With the fish shop across the street kicking in for a few more spots, he’d be making money. In the spring of 1979, Lucky the Magician shortened his handle to “Mr. Magic,” and launched his “Disco Showcase,” from 2 to 4 a.m. every Sunday morning. Even before the first rap record had been released, Magic brought breakbeats to the airwaves and rappers in to the studio for live routines. Soon, Sal Abatiello signed the Disco Fever on as a regular sponsor. With the release of “Rappers Delight,” “Mr. Magic’s Disco Showcase” became the world’s first rap radio show.

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Sal Abatiello’s Disco Fever nightclub was like a family. But the inner circle – Sal, Sweet G, June Bug, Magic, Flash, Melle, Mandingo, Bam-Bam – the guys who hung out until dawn, breaking balls, playing cards, drinking and sniffing – had a special designation. They called themselves the “Juice Crew.” Sal even made them special “Juice Rings” to commemorate their degenerate bond.

And so, one morning, after the Disco Fever closed, Sal Abatiello and Mr. Magic found themselves up at an Irish bar downtown, tossing back beers until 10 a.m.

“Oh man, I never went home,” Magic slurred. “I better call my mother.”

Sal watched Magic as he walked to the bar’s payphone, dialed, and connected with his mother.

After a brief exchange, Magic’s eyes went really wide, and he turned to Sal.

“Oh, shit, Sal!” Magic said. “Frankie Crocker called!”

“Called for what?” Sal replied.

Magic hung up the phone, fumbled for some more change, and dialed WBLS. Magic got Mae James, who wanted him to come in to meet with Crocker himself.

Magic already had a sense of how important he was – why else would Crocker be on his dick, and not the other way around? So Magic didn’t enthuse much in the meeting at WBLS’s Second Avenue offices, where Crocker offered him $750 a week to host two shows on Friday and Saturday nights at WBLS. But in truth, it was the break of a lifetime: Better time slots on a better station, the best station in the city. Magic accepted Crocker’s offer on the spot. Neither man realized that they had just made history again: In May of 1982, Mr. Magic’s “Rap Attack” became the first-ever rap show on a commercial radio station anywhere in the world.

For Magic, it was an opportunity to dramatically increase his audience and influence. For Frankie Crocker, it was a way to keep himself, and his station, relevant. But it was also a way to confine rap as well, to give it boundaries, to keep it from seeping into the regular programming. Friday and Saturday nights were the time for this rap stuff. The weekdays were still for real music.

Magic suffered two disappointments, however, in the transition to WBLS. First, he could no longer openly take sponsorship checks from record companies. Secondly, a young executive who headed the American office of a small British label had approached Magic, while he was still at WHBI, about making a record. But with Magic headed for commercial radio, the DJ couldn’t be a recording artist as well – a double-duty that might be viewed as a form of payola.

So Magic passed his opportunity to the guys in his crew, Jalil and Ecstasy. The record executive, Barry Weiss, instead found himself recording a tribute to Mr. Magic called “Magic’s Wand,” conjured by the duo who now called themselves Whodini, the first rap artists released by Weiss’ label, Jive Records.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    RIP….This is a HUGE loss for the Hip Hop community..There isn’t one b boy in NYC that didn’t have a rap attack. A true pioneer in Hip Hop radio!!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Hayzie/ Hayzie

    R.I.P

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Stan_Vinyl/ Stan_Vinyl

    Hangin pictures on my wall/ every Saturday Rap attack, Mr. Magic/Marley Marl…

    R.I.P and thank you for everything! THANK YOU! Whodini quotes can go all day, them & UTFO are my shyt!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/phatdawg7/ phatdawg7

    He will be sorely missed by the rap community.He started it all with the rap attack on late night radio.That’s where you heard the good stuff

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/ANewStart74/ ANewStart74

    Mr. Magic was back in the days of Kurtis Blow, The Funky Fresh Crew, Grandmaster Melle Mel, The Furious Five, The Rock Steady Crew, The Rox Rockers, the moview “Beat Street”, BDP, the QueensBridge, and etc.

    Yeah, he is going to be missed!

    One Love to you Magic! Abrah, Cadabra

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Redskinz/ Redskinz

    R.I.P. to Mr. Magic. If it wasn’t for you hip hop would’nt be the way it is.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/stickEfingers/ stickEfingers

    I remember getting the rap attact album and watching Whodinies Magic Wand video. RIP MR. Magic

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/thekaze/ thekaze

    R.I.P to a legend

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Darkman7900/ Darkman7900

    A true hip-hop legend has past on. We will miss Mr. Magic dearly. I remember as a young kid having a small radio in the room. My brother and I used to stay up and listen to WHBI late at night when we suppose to be in bed sleeping. We knew that at 2am that the rap attack was coming on. Wow that brings back memories.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/th3livinmatrix/ th3livinmatrix

    in the words of Biggie, every Saturday, rap attack Mr. Magic, Marly Marl… R.I.P to Mr. Magic, sad to see another legend go back home, but no matter who u r, u gotta answer when the Lord callin, deuces

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/DRACATTACK/ DRACATTACK

    DAMN!! I had no idea who he was until now!! Thanks for the “crash-education” & still today Whodini’s “Magic Wand” is 1 of my all-time favorites!! Rest In Peace my Brother & thank you, thank you, thank you for the Memories!!

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/DRE2158/ DRE2158

    I grew up with MR.Magic. As the former bodyguard for Whodini I have nothing but great memories of him and the times that we had. R.I.P…

    ONE LOVE MAGIC

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/courtneyR/ courtneyR

    RIP MR MAGIC,,,YOU RED ALERT,THE 45 KING AND RALPH MCDANIELS made my hiphop chidlhood an unforgettable experience.We need more men like you to help clean up the airwaves today.alot of this stuff today,aint hiphop.You will be missed..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/hotportuguese/ hotportuguese

    DAMN, I GREW UP LISTENING TO HIM! CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY AND THE HIP HOP WORLD! U WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN! R.I.P.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/1ST-SASSYBRWN/ 1ST-SASSYBRWN

    R.I.P MAY MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE FAMILY.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/dice72/ dice72

    when u grow up listenning to great dj’s like mr. magic it makes u feel like he’s a part of the family. Im shocked and hurt,he will be missed….RIP Mr. magic u will always be in our hearts. U open the door for our music…HIP HOP WILL ALWAYS LIVE ON!!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BronxStar2/ BronxStar2

    From the ages 17-19 the Disco Fever was our second home because of this guy..a real legend..R.I.P. Jerome and University Bound..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/shaiyelle/ shaiyelle

    I MUZT FIRST AND FOR3MOST, TILT MA LOCKX TO MR. MAGIC, B3CUZ IN THAT 3RA, H3 PUT ALOT OF MUSIC WH3R3 ITS AT NOW!!! R.I.P, MR. MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/taurus216/ taurus216

    who da hell??

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/taurus216/ taurus216

    who da hell?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/danger924/ danger924

    I remember listening to WHBI back in 1981-82 andwas ecstatic thatrap music had finally found a way into urban radio and knew that once it got its foot in the it would never leave. Mr. Magic’s show came on before the World Famous Supreme Team show on saturday nights on HBI. That particlar show gave birth to the Force MD’s cuz if anyone remembers, they were called DR. Rock and the Force MC’s ad they used to bea harmn rap group that used to do freestyle routines on th Staten Island Ferry… Thank you Mr. Magic for Marly Marl, Biz Markie, Roxanne Shante, and of course Whodini. Big ups to the JUICE Crew “THIS IS A MR. MR. MAIC MAGIC SUPER SUPER BLAST BLAST BOOOOOM.’

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/danger924/ danger924

    I remember listening to WHBI back in 1981-82 andwas ecstatic thatrap music had finally found a way into urban radio and knew that once it got its foot in the it would never leave. Mr. Magic’s show came on before the World Famous Supreme Team show on saturday nights on HBI. That particlar show gave birth to the Force MD’s cuz if anyone remembers, they were called DR. Rock and the Force MC’s ad they used to bea harmn rap group that used to do freestyle routines on th Staten Island Ferry… Thank you Mr. Magic for Marly Marl, Biz Markie, Roxanne Shante, and of course Whodini. Big ups to the JUICE Crew “THIS IS A MR. MR. MAGIC MAGIC SUPER SUPER BLAST BLAST BOOOOOM.’

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/AfROaSiaN/ AfROaSiaN

    bigup Mr. Magic…as a member of the bronx breakers…we did mad shows together…when hip hop was “fresh” and new..our way of life the 4 elements..you brought out culture to the mainstream…the clubs.. bonns international, the ritz, roxy,roseland, mars, wetlands… to name a few, you will be missed my brother

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Jigsaw531/ Jigsaw531

    R.I.P. MR. MAGIC. YOU ARE ONE OF THE MANY GREAT M.C.’S THAT INSPIRE ME TO RAP. YOU ARE HIP-HOP TO THE FULLEST. YOU WORK YOUR MAGIC IN HEAVEN NOW, AND I KNOW GOD IS PLEASED WITH WHAT YOU DO TO THE GAME.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/PoppiLuv23/ PoppiLuv23

    R.I.P. Mr. Magic…i thought u was MANNY RAMIREZ though..look alike allot!!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/TCOOP-v2/ TCOOP-v2

    RIP TO MR. MAGIC.
    Every Hip Hop artist out there now need to send flowers to this man’s funeral. He is one of the reasons why you are cashing those fat checks today.
    I was one of those original “SUPER LISTENERS” taping that show every friday. Damn I wish I could find just one of those old tapes now.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Robleamusic/ Robleamusic

    R.I.P. Mr. Magic, one of Hip-Hop’s true pioneering legends!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/brooklynshyguy/ brooklynshyguy

    I spent the best time of my teen youth listening to you. Being influenced by what you said and the insight you brought to everything. Losing you is like losing a dear close friend who can never be replaced. Thank you for helping to shape that teen into a man. I will miss you.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/kullmack/ kullmack

    LEGENDARY;HATUP

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/RickyDust/ RickyDust

    rip mr magic

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    I feel you TCOOP-v32. I still have one from October ’86, but damn, I wish I had many more.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Shakedarump4me/ Shakedarump4me

    I mean when you heard the theme song “They Call it Mister Magic”
    and that breakbeat kicked in it was on definitely a Hat UP! to
    the Legend in Hip-Hop to the art form and the artist as well!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BKLYNBUTCH515/ BKLYNBUTCH515

    RIP MR MAGIC….. NEW HIGH SCHOOL TROOPER

    BKLYNBUTCH

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MRBIGPOPPA7/ MRBIGPOPPA7

    Mr Magic RIP a Hip-Hop Legend.I listen to magic back in 79 he was great giving us hip-hop when radio woundn’t. Mr Magic gave us Marley Marl & Juice Crew still the best rap crew ever!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/1_Fine_Artist/ 1_Fine_Artist

    We need more substantive positive stories like this here.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mayhem187/ mayhem187

    damn im surprised i never heard of him cuz ima a big hip hop n listen to hip hop from the start till now.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/stylemaker2020/ stylemaker2020

    IF YOU NEVER HEARD OF MR. MAGIC, YOU CANNOT CLAIM TO BE ANYTHING REAL IN HIP HOP. IT JUST TELLS US ORIGINAL RAPPERS IN HIP HOP, YOU DON’T DO HOMEWORK OR RESPECT THE HIP HOP CULTURE. STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND MAKE YOURSELF KNOW

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Kee-tee/ Kee-tee

    Still got old sneaker boxes of Mr. Magic & Red Alert tapes in my closet. (somehow I gotta transfer them to my computer!) Those radio shows gave you anything! I miss those days…
    A WOOOOOORLD PREMIER, A WOOOORLD PREMIER!!!
    You know when you heard that somebody dropped a new banger!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/alishakel/ alishakel
  • http://www.blackplanet.com/gsbrown3510/ gsbrown3510

    i remember back in the day, trying to get Mr. Magics radio station. I rmember him coining the phrases, Boogie Down Bronx, Money Making Mahattan, Do or Die Bed Sty, Strong Island. He was the man and should be just as well known as Flash, Bam and Herc. RIP Magic, I truly appreciate all you’ve done.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SOULSACRED/ SOULSACRED

    I LOVE MY CLASSIC HIPHOP…..MISTER MAGIC GAVE US SOOO MUCH……WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I DON’T EVEN LISTEN TO MAINSTREAM RADIO ANYMORE FOR RAP MUSIC…..SHlT DONE CHANGED FOR THE WORSE….WHOM WOULD’VE EVER THOUGHT ??? BUT U KNOW WHAT, MY HIPHOP PEEPS ? IT RESONATES WITHIN, BECAUSE THOSE OF US WHO GREW UP WITH IT, KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, WHY IT IS, & HOW GOOD IT FEELS !

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Leticia39/ Leticia39

    OMG I thought Magic Johnson died!!!!! *phew*

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Kountry_Mayne/ Kountry_Mayne

    i think im too young to remember this guy

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BEDSTY111/ BEDSTY111

    IF YOU DONT KNOW MR MAGIC THEN U SHOULD TURN IN YOUR TURNTABLES AND YOUR MIC….FOR EXAMPLE…1.SOLDIER BOY…2.WACKA FLACKA WHOEVER…3.DRAKE…COME ON PEOPLE THIS IS THE LEGEND OF HIP HOP PAY HOMAGE AND SHOW SOME RESPECT….HE GAVE US HIP HOP WHEN IT WAS FUN TO GO TO THE PARTY AND DANCE UNTIL YOUR SHIRT WAS SOAKED…THOSE WAS THE GOOD OLD TIMES OF HIP HOP…..ONE LUV MR MAGIC YOU WILL BE MISSED…..RIP…TILL I SEE U AGAIN…..ONE

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BigSeanNY/ BigSeanNY

    Yeah man,I remember this hiphop icon dropping classic joints like The Biz Markie joint,BDP,Juice Crew,Salt and Pepa when NYC ran hiphop.Growing up in the Bronx then on 169thstreet and Boston Road was some fun times.Then In Sedgwick av by River Park Towers were more fun going to street jams playing classic hiphop.Bentleys,The Tunnel,Homebase,Latin Quarters,Skate Key,The Rooftop werre the spots along with the Red Parrot,Palladuim.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Phillip_The_So_Fine/ Phillip_The_So_Fine

    @Soul…cosigning!

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